Abortion

[Sean Fer Sure]

thoughts...?

[lyssaloveless]

I was afraid this topic would come up because I see people get really nasty when "debating". Plus, I end up ranting and receiving hate mail.

My biggest issue with this topic of debate is the title of “pro-life”. That needs to stop. Why? Because then you are suggesting that those who feel women should have a choice, are “anti-life” or “pro-death”. That is after all, the opposite of “pro-life”, is it not? But of course, it’s easy to be so in everybody’s face about your position when you’ve given your stand point a lovely little name, isn’t it?

I’m pro-choice, but I'm also pro-life. I value the life of every living thing (except spiders/bugs, those bitches can just back off my life). The thought of a baby not having a chance at life breaks my heart, especially given the loss of my little sister several years ago. However, I don’t think it’s right for me or anyone else to tell a woman what she can or cannot do. (I feel as if that would be a big step back in the women’s rights movement.) I feel that adoption is always an option and that abortion shouldn’t be used as means of contraception; but it is not my place to govern another woman’s choice.

Bottom line is, the debate over abortion is about whether or not women should be able to make their own choice. You’re pro-choice or anti-choice. That is the argument. And personally, I’d rather know that a woman had an abortion over hearing about more cases of women like China Arnold who microwave their infants.

[Dan]

I don't see a problem with the term pro-life. It describes exactly what it is. Someone who is for preserving life.

[A Cat from Hell]

i think its wrong. no one has the right to take a life.

^if it becomes nasty or you or anyone ever receive hate mail, notify me immediately. it won't be tolerated.

[skeletoncity]

how on earth did this topic even come up on a music forum, i do not know. but even if i got pregnant at my age (15) i just couldn't do it. i would feel so guilty, idk what id do with myself.

[Desi]

If the person has to do it, she has to do it. If that's what she truly want's. Wether it be for medical reasons, being too young, rape, etc.

[Sean Fer Sure]

The problem with the term "pro-life" is that the baby isn't even technically "alive" inside the womb. A baby isn't born with 9 months of life under its belt and doesn't become a year old 3 months later. "Pro-life" is not a good term for people opposed to abortion. Like Lyssa said, "pro-choice" advocates are not "pro-death."

[Dan]

So babies are not living while in the womb?

EDIT: I'm really not trying to take either side or be argumentative, but to say that a baby is not technically alive while in the womb is just silly.

EDIT #2: Even if you were right, and a baby wasn't living while in the womb, the term "pro-life" still applies. Those who are pro-life are against ending pregnancy to allow the baby a chance to LIVE, after he or she is born. Hence, pro-LIFE.

[lyssaloveless]

Maybe so. The issue is that the opposite of pro is anti, and the opposite of life is death. The term "pro-life" technically labels the opposition either "pro-death" or "anti-life". Which makes pro-choice people sound a bit barbaric and heartless. Pro-choice people aren't all "Yes! Let's end a life before it begins! Yay abortion!" You get what I'm saying?

I respect that they're for the preservation of life, but the argument is about choice.

[Dan]

That's why the term "pro-choice" is very fitting as well. I think both terms fit what they stand for. It's all a matter of opinion and how one can twist meanings in their head.

[tinnerz]

For me, it depends. I personally couldn't do it, but I wouldn't say it's fair to stop someone else from doing it. It's far better for a woman to have it done legally and in a safe medical environment, because even if it weren't legal people would still find ways to go about it that would be less humane toward the fetus and dangerous for the woman's health.

I also look at it from the standpoint of the life the child would have if it were unwanted. The mother could resent the child and be abusive toward him/her, or the child could be stuck in an endless cycle of foster homes. Many children in the foster system are never adopted, and there are a ton of psychological problems that can result from that.

[concert_hero]

I don't believe in abortion. I think it is wrong. Babies (not fetuses) can feel pain at TWO WEEKS into the pregnancy. There is no way that something that can feel pain and have a heartbeat isn't a real "person".

And if the pregnancy is unwanted, give the child up for adoption. (Yes, I know. The poor overburdened foster systems! There is no room. We are doing them a favor; blah blah blah...) That is just a silly excuse to make someone feel better about the fact that they aborted a child. There are always options available if the pregnancy is unwanted.

[danthedude1218]

yes they feel pain, but there mind isn't fully developed yet so they have no idea whats going on. yes abortion is bad but adoption is also bad as well. I understand where your coming from, but is it really worth it to let someone live a crappy life? Not knowing who there real parents are? Its there choice. Its there decision whether they feel they can raise there child or not.

[CurbsideAudio]

Nov 25, 2010 17:21:30 GMT -5 danthedude1218 said:

yes they feel pain, but there mind isn't fully developed yet so they have no idea whats going on. yes abortion is bad but adoption is also bad as well. I understand where your coming from, but is it really worth it to let someone live a crappy life? Not knowing who there real parents are? Its there choice. Its there decision whether they feel they can raise there child or not.

You mean they weren't given the chance to develop. The mother who decided to abort KILLED all chances of a "human being" to develop any cognitive thought.

[Sean Fer Sure]

Nov 21, 2010 15:46:02 GMT -5 concert_hero said:

I don't believe in abortion. I think it is wrong. Babies (not fetuses) can feel pain at TWO WEEKS into the pregnancy. There is no way that something that can feel pain and have a heartbeat isn't a real "person".

And if the pregnancy is unwanted, give the child up for adoption. (Yes, I know. The poor overburdened foster systems! There is no room. We are doing them a favor; blah blah blah...) That is just a silly excuse to make someone feel better about the fact that they aborted a child. There are always options available if the pregnancy is unwanted.

I don't know about you, but I personally wouldn't want to go through 9 months of carrying an unborn child to give birth and then just give it away.

You also have to take into account the women that got pregnant from rape and/or from incest. There's a very high chance that women in those situations didn't want a child to begin with and if abortion were illegal, they would stuck with a baby they didn't even want.